In this captivating talk, New Yorker staff writer Ben Taub draws from his award–winning reportage on Syria. He argues that malicious states are more capable of systematic atrocities than any terrorist group can ever hope to be.
He draws on his experiences speaking with smugglers, jihadis and spies, sharing audio and footage from interviewees. He demonstrates that what allowed ISIS to become so uniquely terrible was its ability to organise itself as a state through control of territory.
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